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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:32 pm 
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I have no doubt that life in some form exists in the universe.

"The total number of stars in the Universe is larger than all the grains of sand on all the beaches of the planet Earth" - Carl Sagan.

That is an immense number. And, we know life can exist, because we exist and our planet is vastly rich in life. So, for me, there is no doubt about it.


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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:18 pm 
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Liefde wrote:
First off let me say that Curiousity has just confirmed that there is no life on mars, not in recent times anywhere from the top to the bottom. This due to the lack of methane on Mars (none) Source


This statement brings up a very interesting discussion, though.

Can a different type of life evolve and exist that does not rely on methane?

The definition of life is very suspect here :) when we talk about life, we can talk about life "as we know it", but what we know is very limited!

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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:05 pm 
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Quite correct. Methane is only a necessary byproduct if you are considering carbon/oxygen/hydrogen life forms.
I can't believe that this many people that have seen Star Trek, play fantasy games and live in a world full of wonder, don't acknowledge the possibility of a life form based OTHER than ours.

That said .... what was the question again?

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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:24 pm 
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Well IMO it's a logic disconnect to say you believe in UFOs because they're extraterrestrial because you can't call something unidentified identified.

Extraterrestrials? Possibly. Have they visited Earth? Doubtful.

The level of a civilization that it would take to reach us would be so vast that they would compare our intelligence to that of a gnat. They would have no reason to visit us, let alone come and steal our cows.

Considering the closest planets to us it would take tens of thousands of years at light speed to reach Earth. Unless this species has developed wormhole technology or another way to break the speed of light (which doesn't currently seem possible) I'm pretty sure our radio waves about Jersey Shore aren't going to interest them (except to destroy us to make the radio waves stop).

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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:45 pm 
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Morphael wrote:

The level of a civilization that it would take to reach us would be so vast that they would compare our intelligence to that of a gnat. They would have no reason to visit us, let alone come and steal our cows.


To play devil's advocate a bit :) since this is the only place I can really do that...

If they saw us as gnats, perhaps that is why the majority of abduction stories involve experimentation.

Think about it this way. We come to some undiscovered part of earth...what is the first thing we do? Start gathering samples, testing, trying to figure out what everything is. Once we have a certain understanding of it, we get bored and try to find something else.

Stories of Alien abduction worked much the same way. Countless stories sprang up that have similarities since the beginning of our ability to record history. Completely unrelated tales.

They come, just like a team of scientists, and find something new. They mess with it for a little while (and who knows what a "little while" is to them) and then they move on. They don't bother to explain to us what is going on - it would be like US explaining to a gnat why we keep catching it, or a mouse why we keep experimenting on it. We see it as useless...

The recorded history of man is a relatively short time period, so it makes sense for us to have stories of abduction for as long as we've been able to record them. Sure, tons of them are hoaxes, but I'm really not comfortable saying that without a doubt we have not been visited before. There is enough evidence to make me seriously question it. So, I respectfully decline to say that we have without a doubt NOT been visited by aliens.

Now, I will maintain that other life exists. It is just to probable to be untrue.

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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:55 pm 
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Just a brief idea of something that COULD be plausible.

The aliens found our planet and make contact:

Mayans and Egyptians (of the Ancient variety) were on opposite sides of the earth at around the same time. Their empires overlapped time period wise. They both describe meetings with extraterrestrials that are almost identical. They both also happened to have incredibly advanced cultures, with an understanding of the heavens we are only now discovering.



The aliens send a second team back during the 1940's - 70's

Another heavy period of reported alien activity. They come back to check up on us. See how we've changed. It's been a really long time, so we could be different.

Periodic sightings aside from these periods can be any number of things, from hoaxes to other "departments" coming for different kinds of research.

I'm just saying that the way that abductions and things are regarded now could largely have been decided by the receptiveness of the media at the time they first started happening in modern history. It was during the cold war era, governments were scared and didn't want people to start freaking out about aliens on top of everything else.

They let it spin by the public for a while, and then let people make movies about aliens, and let it turn into a circus, knowing it would die away. And forevermore people would classify alien specialists as cooks.

I know it sounds very "conspiracy-ish", but look at what the media has done to our country today :p We're completely divided and we really don't need to be! It's not as far fetched as we might think.

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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:39 pm 
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All I can think about is this..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJElZwEI8o

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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:04 pm 
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I completely agree with him.

Evidence thus far does not supply any way to reliably state whether or not visitors have been here. All we can say is, "It's possible."

My illustrations were just meant to possibly explain the history of UFO sightings, which goes back over 5000 years.

Someone earlier had said that "curiousity confirms no life on mars". That isn't entirely true.

They've just stated that they haven't found methane yet. Note that they DID discover methane in 2009 on Mars. They are now trying to find out why there is conflicting data. There are lots of articles with theories on where the methane is (deep underground, being released by various things - impact of meteors, shifting geology, all kinds of stuff). So, I would definitely NOT say that they have confirmed anything about Mars or prior life there at all yet.

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Life existing outside Earth: Definitely
Intelligent life existing outside Earth: Almost Definitely
Other intelligent life in our galaxy: possibly
Intelligent life with interstellar travel within 10000 light years of Earth at some point: unlikely
Aliens with interstellar travel at the same time that we could detect them: no

If aliens exist, we will probably never see them.

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 Post Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:47 pm 
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Does life exist elsewhere in the universe besides earth? Definately, now whether other civilizations exist is another matter. I am sure in the vast reaches of the universe life has evolved past the "animal" stage and may have evolved as far as the "tribal" stage and maybe even further along the evolution scale. The thing that probably determines this is that the farther along the evolution scale life is, the fewer occurences there are of that particular evolution scale. For example life in the cellular stage, probably billions of occurences, life in the animal stage, probably millions of occurences, life in the tribal stage, maybe thousands, life in civilization stage, maybe hundreds, life in technological stage, maybe 25-50, life that has reached space stage, (like us), maybe 10-20, life that is far superior and vastly more technologically advanced than us, maybe 1-5.

Here is a neat little video explaining the Drake Equation which is a theoretical equation determining how much life there is in the universe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB_v99FSTYc


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